Re: [World_of_Warcraft_List] Dragon of the Day: Emeriss - World of Warcraft

 

Cool.  I am not trying to argue with anyone but all I was saying was that they have to have SOME sort of level stats or attacking them with anything of any number of people in a raid would be pointless as they would never be able to take him down.

http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=20644 
Emeriss 63  Boss Ashenvale (Heroic) Guaranteed (100%)


The WoW Bestiary shows Emeriss at level 63...  http://wow.mmodb.com/bestiary/e3.php

Excerpts:

It is accepted knowledge that any "skull" level mob (both pre and post TBC) has a dynamic level that is just simply your level +3. I'm curious to know if there is a link out there to any testing that has been done to prove that pre-tbc boss mobs act just like BC bosses when it comes to miss rate, resist rate, crushing blows etc. The reason I'm questioning this is because of the armory - which supposedly has info pulled from the game files - shows pre-tbc bosses as level 63. And it shows BC bosses at level 73.

Example:
The World of Warcraft Armory - scroll down to see that Ragnaros is a 63 boss
The World of Warcraft Armory - scroll down to see that HKM is a 73 boss

I did a few searches, but didn't end up finding any testing done to prove that pre-tbc bosses act like they are level 73 when it comes to miss/resist/crushing/glancing/etc rates; but I may not be searching under the right terms or something.

Bosses who have a skull where their level should be, have the HP of something higher level (quite possibly level 500 like people say). But the actual boss isn't this level. Think of it this way: if a boss was level 500, nobody would be able to land a hit on him. He would dodge/parry/resist EVERYTHING. So, they fix this by granting the boss loads more HP while keeping the "susceptibility" within reason. The magic level number you're looking for should just be referred to as "boss level" or something.

I don't know much about this subject, but this is what I've heard and it makes sense to me. So, I hope it's right and I hope it helps.




If I can remember my college logic I believe it would be called a "contradictory premise" if they were "leveless" then you would never be able to kill them (him).  In order for the game to work at all there HAS to be an algorithm to make it work.

Hope that makes sense as it have been a long day.

Shane

Not sure where they found those numbers but I know for calculation standpoints it is 3 levels higher then the player for all bosses that are marked as skull.  So a level 80 tank better have 540 defense or they can be critted.
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On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Shane B <shaneb@ij.net> wrote:

From Thotbott about another boss High Lord Bolvar Fordragon

http://thottbot.com/wotlk/c1748

Highlord Bolvar Fordragon

Level 321-72 Boss Humanoid

Stormwind City

http://thottbot.com/wotlk/c14889

Emeriss

Level 65-0 Boss Dragonkin

Feralas, The Hinterlands

They DO have a level but just not posted.  I will try and dig up more as I find it.

Shane

From wowwiki...

Skull type bosses are the hardest mobs to kill in WoW. Their level is not displayed as a number, but as a death's head sign. These bosses have a "dynamic" level - when a numeric level is required for some calculation, they are considered to be 3 levels above the player character involved in that calculation. That is, if both a level 60 warrior and a level 65 druid both tank the same skull type boss, the boss will make crushing blows on the warrior as if it was 63, and on the druid as if it was 68. Similarly, the boss will resist their respective powers as a 63- and 68-level creature would. The first skull type boss that a player may fight with in PvE is Pyroguard Emberseer in Upper Blackrock Spire. There are also some skull type bosses that a usual player will not fight with, e. g. bosses in Capitals or Nessy in the Deeprun Tram.

There is some evidence that with the Patch 3.0.2 changes certain skull-type bosses, such as King Varian Wrynn and the Grandmaster's Training Dummy are in many ways considered level 83 mobs. Players have observed that they do far less damage and hit very infrequently compared to what would be expected for their gear, and Crushing Blows (which can now only be inflicted by a monster 4 or more levels higher than you) have been reported.

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On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Shane B <shaneb@ij.net> wrote:

Even King Varian Wrynn has a level.  I saw it posted once.

Shane

He is a boss and doesn't have a level.

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On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Shane B <shaneb@ij.net> wrote:

Does *anyone* what level he really is??  Everything I have read just shows ??

http://www.wowwiki.com/Emeriss

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